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Bug 69333 - Allow users to edit via Tor while still being able to fight abuse
Allow users to edit via Tor while still being able to fight abuse
Status: NEW
Product: Wikimedia
Classification: Unclassified
General/Unknown (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: High enhancement (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Reported: 2014-08-09 11:54 UTC by Sam Reed (reedy)
Modified: 2014-10-21 06:06 UTC (History)
10 users (show)

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Description Sam Reed (reedy) 2014-08-09 11:54:35 UTC
We're currently by default blocking Tor (bar users with exemption). This generally goes against our openness
Comment 1 James Forrester 2014-08-09 12:15:41 UTC
I'm reasonably sure this is a WONTFIX unless there's significant demonstrable countermeasures…
Comment 2 Erik Moeller 2014-08-09 12:18:06 UTC
Yeah, we need a better method/protocol to exempt users, but undeploying the current solution to prevent abuse from Tor users is unlikely to be the answer.
Comment 3 Jan Zerebecki 2014-08-09 13:04:10 UTC
A start in the right direction would be allowing existing account holders to edit via Tor while being authenticated (i.e. removing the need for the block exception for Tor users). I doubt that would increase the amount of abuse.
Comment 4 Arlo Breault 2014-08-31 06:56:31 UTC
Tor has put out a call to arms: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/call-arms-helping-internet-services-accept-anonymous-users

    how can we quantify the loss to Wikipedia, and to society at large, from turning away anonymous contributors? Wikipedians say "we have to blacklist all these IP addresses because of trolls" and "Wikipedia is rotting because nobody wants to edit it anymore" in the same breath, and we believe these points are related.
Comment 5 Sam Reed (reedy) 2014-08-31 09:36:37 UTC
This issue is starting to irritate me a little :)
Comment 6 Jan Zerebecki 2014-08-31 16:11:54 UTC
There is discussion related to this at:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/User_conduct_policies#Open_proxies
Comment 7 Arlo Breault 2014-08-31 16:16:34 UTC
Continuing to block edits from users without accounts (I'll refrain from calling those anonymous) still seems necessary. But a proposal might be,

 * Allow registering accounts from Tor where initially all edits require approval.

 * After a threshold of approved edits is crossed, the restriction is lifted.

 * Current accounts can opt into the above by flipping a bool.

That may be missing some nuance (or a whole bunch of institutional knowledge) but enumerating the issues may help move the process forward.
Comment 9 Arlo Breault 2014-10-21 06:06:47 UTC
I've expanded on the proposal in comment 7 here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-October/079016.html

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